-Another thingthat seems to, uh.
seems to be splittingthe way Democrats think, not justthe idea of electability but also the ideaof impeachment — is this a fool's errand? I think you have manyin the party who think this is a man who's doneplenty of things that are why we haveimpeachment as an option and others who are saying, "No, we need to focus on theballot box as a way of removal.
" What do you think? -I think this is another oneof those things where Democrats are sort ofoutthinking themselves, like in the same waywith the electability thing.
Like, you may really wantto beat Donald Trump.
You can't personally work out who's the most electablecandidate to win the primary.
In the same way, impeachment — you sort ofcan't really game out what the political impactof impeachment is going to be.
That's not the kind of processimpeachment is.
If a president commits crimes, commits high crimesand misdemeanors, the way the Congress is supposedto hold him accountable is by openingan impeachment inquiry, doing an investigation,and then voting on whether or not they thinkthat it rises to that level.
Whether or not that hurts thePresident, helps the President, hurts the Democrats,helps the Democrats, A, is unknowable, and, B,should be beside the point.
And if you're doing itfor the right reasons, I think you are more likelyto persuade the country that you've done itfor the right reasons rather than you having tried tothink everybody around a corner, in terms of howthis is supposed to work out.
I just think just be –Approach these things simply.
Pick the best candidate who you think would makethe best president.
Approach impeachment in terms of the Constitutionalimperative here.
Who cares who it's good for? -It does strike me, as well, whether he is impeached or not,he'll act like he was impeached.
-And, you know, he's gonna –he's not gonna — if he doesn't get impeached,say, "You know what? That was a real fair shakeI got from the Democrats.
I tip my hat.
"-Yeah, exactly! -"I may have been wrongabout those bozos.
" -It's true.
They're gonna run campaign ads.
He's gonna give speechestalking about them being socialistswho want to impeach him.
There's nothing you can do to make himnot call you a socialist.
-Just do what you think is right.
He's gonna call you names.
If you're really lucky, he'llgive you a diminutive Nickname.
-Yeah, that'd be a winner.
-There's no way that you canget around that stuff.
And he will –And the Republicans will all campaignas if the Democrats are just "impeachment-madsocialists," so justdo what you think is right.
Don't worry aboutwhat people say about you.
-We both talked aboutTrump's adventures in Europe, and that was just — in general, I just found a peacewith him being there just because it shifted by fivehours when things could happen.
[ Laughter ] You know, at like 9:00,if I was at dinner, I had a thought of, like, "If I haven'theard anything now, he's probably asleep,"you know? [ Laughter ] But you —You were so good, though.
When you described him as, like,every American tourist thing that anybody has ever done wronganywhere in the world, he's doing them all at once.
-Like,that's exactly what he was.
When you described him that way, I was like,"That's what he's doing!" He's embodying all ofthe worst stereotypes that everybody in the worldhas about dumb Americans, and he's living them large![ Laughter ] Like, with their leaders.
It was just.
Well, you can tellthey look at him, and they're not saying, "Oh, I've met a guylike this before.
" They're like, "I've meta guy like this before, but it was 100 different guys.
[ Laughter ]-Like, this — He's like a Voltronof all of it.
-You had a wonderful — I had not seen this photothat you called out on your show last night,which is, here's the Trump familyin a picture.
And I will say, they all looklovely, beautiful gowns.
-The Trump adult children.
-Trump adult children.
-Why are they there? They don't workfor the government.
-Who pointed this out to you?Did you find this on your own? -So, I was readingthe Irish press because, as you talked abouton your show, as well, Trump goes over to Irelandand is like, "Yeah, about your border wallwith Northern Ireland.
" It's like,"Dude, there's no border wall with Northern Ireland.
" And that'sa really sensitive subject! please don't go there.
Ugh! So, I was looking atthe Irish press to see how they coveredthat disaster by the President, and what I foundwas they were like, "Hey, look at this pictureof the Trump adult children.
Isn't that lovely, how they'reposing for that photo?" -That's great but we're gonnazoom in on something over here.
" -"No photographs.
"[ Laughter ] -They literally –They literally are like, "Let's take a picture,"and they're like, "Well, not over there, 'causeit says 'no photographs.
'" And they're like,"No, let's do it there.
[ Laughter ] -The President's whole familyposes in front of the "No Photos" picture.
Yep, that's pretty muchour lives now.
-That's their style.
That is their style.
[ Laughter ]-Yeah.
-I want to be serioushere for a second, because you've donea really good job of covering a very scary situation right nowwith all the abortion laws that are being passedat the state level.
-And, obviously, there was a lot of talkabout what Alabama did, but there's also a lot happeningin Missouri right now where there are basicallyefforts being made to close the lastabortion provider in the state.
-Can you talk a little bit about, like, what actuallyis happening there and how punitive it is, these lawsthat they're talking about? -The thing that's differentabout what's happening in Missouri right nowis that they are the closest any state has ever beento completely ending legal abortion accessin the entire state.
No state has been ableto do that since Roe vs.
Wade was passedby the Supreme Court in 1973.
But for the first time,Missouri's state government, the Republican-controlledstate government, is trying to shut down the lastabortion provider in the state.
So they're trying to takethe last clinic's license away.
And as they are doing that, thestate government has come in, and they have told the doctorsat that clinic that while they're still openand while women are still able to get abortions there,the doctors at that clinic must now start giving medicallyunnecessary pelvic examinations, like vaginal examinations,to women, specifically — basically, as the cost of themasking for an abortion.
So, it's medically unnecessary.
The doctors don't want to do it.
There's no reason to do it.
The women who are gettingabortions do not want this done, and the state governmenthas come in and mandated that they get this extrainternal exam while they're tryingto shut down that last clinic.
And so, we've been reportingon that for the past week or so.
The state government in Missourigot very mad at us about reporting on it,but it's freaking true.
And we went to the clinicand talked to the staff there about how they are being forcedto do this to their patients now on orders of the state.
And it's just — I think it's upsetting, I think,to a lot of people, both the state of abortionrights around the country and what's going on in Missouri, but the fact that they'redoing that to these women on orderof that state government is just sort ofhorror-movie disturbing.
-Well, we certainly appreciateyou guys actually getting on the ground thereand going and talking to those people 'cause thatis incredibly informative and necessaryat times like these.
[ Cheers and applause ]Last thing I want to ask.
-You are, in the middle of all this –moderating debates, hosting your own show –you are writing a book, as well.
Just to like relax and unplug,you're writing a book.
Is it a fun –It's a fun romantic-comedy romp? Is that a safe wayto describe it? -Yeah, it's a romanticlittle ditty about the geopoliticsof the oil and gas industry.
[ Laughter ]-Rachel! Rachel, no! -No, I do that.
You know, I do some vaping.
It's, like, pretty much, like,It's my kicking downtime.
"It's called "Blowout.
" -It's called "Blowout.
"It comes out October 1st.
Yeah, I'll come backand talk to you about it.
I look forward to it.
It's always great to see you.
That's Rachel Maddow, everybody.