ERIC: HOUSE DEMOCRATS REMAIN DIVIDED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING FORWARD WITH IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

HOUSE SPEAKER PELOSI SEEMS TO HAVE A DEFERENT IDEA, THOUGH, OF WHAT FATE SHOULD AWAIT HIM.

POLITICAL REPORTING THAT PELOSI TOLD SENIOR DEMOCRATS IN A MEETING QUOTE I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM IMPEACHED.

I WANT TO SEE HIM IN PRISON.

LET'S BRING IN OUR POLITICAL PANEL, A FELLOW FOR THE INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM AND A FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA.

WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

>> GREAT TO BE YOU.

ERIC: BEVERLY, I MEAN, THE SPEAKER DOES NOT SUPPORT IMPEACHING HIM YET.

SHE WANTS TO SLAP THE HANDCUFFS ON HIM, SEE THE PRESIDENT IN PRISON STRIPES.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEHIND THIS? >> WELL, I THINK WITH HER STATEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED, SHE'S TRYING TO SHOW SOLIDARITY WITH THE OPINION OF THE PRESIDENT WHILE MAKING IT VERY CLEAR SHE DOESN'T THINK IMPEACHMENT IS THE RIGHT TACTIC.

SHE IS CORRECT, ONE THE SENATE WON'T CONVICT HIM EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD PASS THE HOUSE, NUMBER TWO IT WOULD BURY THEIR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND NUMBER THREE AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PRESIDENT AND REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO USE THIS TO GATHER SUPPORT FROM THEIR BASE.

SO I THINK WHEN NANCY PELOSI LOOKS AT THIS, SHE'S THE ADULT IN THE ROOM, AND SHE REALIZES IT'S A LOSER FOR DEMOCRATS.

ERIC: JOEL, DO YOU THINK IT IS A LOSER FOR DEMOCRATS? I MEAN THAT MEETING ON TUESDAY WAS SUPPOSEDLY CONTENTIOUS.

YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH PUSHING FOR IMPEACHMENT.

JERRY NADLER HAS ASKED TWICE AND THE SPEAKER PUSHES BACK.

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, NANCY PELOSI IS THE ONE PERSON WHO HAS TRUE POWER OVER DONALD TRUMP RIGHT NOW.

SHE CAN ON MONDAY DECIDE TO LAUNCH IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND BEGIN THIS PROCESS.

TRUMP SHOULD BE THANKING HER RATHER THAN CRITICIZING HER.

REALLY SHE IS TESTING THE WATERS TRYING TO SEE IF SHE CAN GET ENOUGH SUPPORT.

WE ARE GETTING TO A POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE OVERSIGHT IS BEING BLOCKED SO MUCH BY THE PRESIDENT AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT REALLY THE PRESIDENT IS IN A WAY DARING SPEAKER PELOSI TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS TO BEGIN BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS JUST NOT COOPERATING ON ANY LEVEL RIGHT NOW WITH CONGRESS IN ITS OVERSIGHT FUNCTION.

ERIC: IS THAT ENOUGH FOR A REASON TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT, ERIC HOLDER WAS HELD IN CONTEMPT, YOU HAVE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS PUSHING BACK AGAINST CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT.

>> NO, CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT PUSHBACK IS NORMAL.

I SERVED IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND HANDLED THE WORK WITH THE HOUSE FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE, BUT WE DIDN'T BLOCK ON A REPETITIVE BASIS EVERY POSSIBLE WITNESS THAT DEMOCRATS IN THIS CASE ARE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, SO THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE A MOMENT WHERE SPEAKER PELOSI LOOKS AT HER CAUCUS AND SAYS THIS IS THE TIME, AND THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO REALLY THINK THROUGH, DOES HE WANT TO CONTINUE TO STONE WALL THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVING THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, OR DOES HE WANT TO COOPERATE? IF HE DOESN'T COOPERATE, HE'S GOING TO GET IMPEACHMENT.

ERIC: WHY DOESN'T THE ADMINISTRATION JUST COOPERATE? >> WELL, THEY HAVE.

ERIC: I MEAN FULLY AND NOT JUST PUSH BACK AGAINST ALL THE SUBPOENAS AND SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO TESTIFY.

>> I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS WELL AS TRUMP ADMINISTRATION LOOK AT THIS AND SAY HOW MUCH MORE DO DEMOCRATS WANT? THEY WERE FORTHCOMING DURING THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, FOR TWO YEARS WE HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO BE COLLUSION, THERE WASN'T.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND PELOSI REALIZES THIS DOES NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPEACHMENT.

THEY SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

HE WAS ELECTED IN OFFICE.

IF PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH WHAT WAS IN THE MUELLER REPORT, THERE ARE UNFAVORABLE THINGS TOWARDS HIM THERE, THEN THAT WILL BE DECIDED IN 2020 WHEN PEOPLE VOTE.

THAT'S THE DIRECTION THIS SHOULD GO.

DO WE WANT MORE TAXPAYER MONEY AND MORE TIME SPENT ON AN ISSUE THAT SO FAR AT THIS POINT HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE AND IT ALREADY HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED.

ERIC: WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS WILL GO? JOEL MENTIONED UNLESS SOMETHING MAJOR COMES UP, WHAT'S YOUR PREDICTION THE PATH THE DEMOCRATS WILL TAKE LEADING INTO 2020? >> WITH NANCY PELOSI IN CHARGE, I DON'T THINK SHE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPEACHMENT.

WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE THAT SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT RESULT FROM THIS, BUT THOSE WILL NOT BE RESOLVED BEFORE 2020.

SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENS WITH DEMOCRATS, IF THEY PUSH TOO HARD, IF NANCY PELOSI IS NOT ABLE TO KEEP HER CAUCUS IN CHECK ON THIS ISSUE, I THINK IT JUST BENEFITS REPUBLICANS, AND DONALD TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO USE THIS IN HIS UP COMING CAMPAIGN AND POTENTIALLY COULD LEAD TO HIM WINNING ELECTION ONCE AGAIN.

ERIC: HOW ABOUT THAT JOEL, COULD THIS BOOMERANG ON THE DEMOCRATS IN FAVOR OF THE PRESIDENT? >> WELL, IT COULD BOOMERANG, IF NOTHING IS FOUND, BUT THERE'S A LOT UNDERNEATH THOSE ROCKS, AND RIGHT NOW DEMOCRATS ARE UNIFIED BEHIND SPEAKER PELOSI.

THERE'S CONCERN AND FRUSTRATION ABOUT TEMPO AND PACE, BUT CLEARLY SPEAKER PELOSI IS VOICING NOT JUST THE FRUSTRATION OF THE CAUCUS AS A WHOLE, BUT ALSO A REAL IDEA THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE POLITICALLY IN A MANNER THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THE PRESIDENT ENGAGED IN CRIMES AND THAT HE ENGAGED IN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES A AND THAT MAY BE WHY HE'S BLOCKING ANY KIND OF TESTIMONY HIS HIGHEST AIDES.

ERIC: THEY ARE THROWING BRICKS AT EACH OTHER.

WHEN THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAYS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DESERVES TO BE PRISON AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SAYS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS A DISGRACE TO THE COUNTRY AND HER FAMILY, HAVE WE EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS? >> NO, IT IS GETTING REALLY PERSONAL NOW.

IT IS REMINISCENT FROM THE DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT OF THE CALLS TO LOCK HER UP OF HILARY CLINTON ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

THIS IS REALLY HARD BALL STUFF RIGHT NOW.

AND SPEAKER PELOSI, SHE IS TAKING SHOTS.

SHE ALSO RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT SHOTS FROM THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY WHERE A NEGATIVE NICKNAME OF HER WAS USED BY THE PRESIDENT.

SO IT'S GETTING VERY INTENSE.

AND I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO DISSIPATE.

SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BREAK.

IF THE WHITE HOUSE DOESN'T ALLOW WITNESSES TO GO FORWARD, THEY ARE GOING TO SEE A MORE UNIFIED DEMOCRATIC FRONT AND POTENTIAL IMPEACHMENT.

ERIC: BEVERLY, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE TONE? >> I HAVE NEVER BEEN A FAN OF NAME CALLING FROM EITHER SIDE ALL TOGETHER.

I THINK MOST AMERICANS WISH THAT WOULD STOP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS A PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WHICH IS WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH AN INVESTIGATION.

NOW THERE ARE CALLS OF PUTTING HIM IN JAIL.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, SOMEONE THAT PEOPLE ELECTED, YET WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING THAT HE SHOULD BE PUT IN JAIL FOR.

I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY HE'S BEING TOUGH ON THIS, EVEN THOUGH I WISH THEY WOULD BOTH.