Welcome back to the Gentleman's Gazette! In today's video, we discuss whether Hermès ties are worth it.
We talk about the famous printed ties withanimal prints, horse prints, the woven ones as well as scarf ties, the pros and cons,and whether they're worth your $180 or not.
In a world of iconic menswear, men's tiesare certainly up there with the Burberry trench coat which by the way, you want to know ifa Burberry trench coat is worth it or not ,please check out this video here.
Generally, you know you're doing somethingright even an entire industry is here to fake your products and that's the case with Hermès ties.
Finding a used one is almost like a gambleif you don't know what to look for and stay tuned for another video where we discuss howyou can identify a fake Hermès tie from a genuine one.
For this video, we'll assume you buy one directlyfrom Hermès so you know what you get is the real deal.
In the US, Hermès ties have a price tag ofa $180.
In Europe, it's a little less.
In Australia, it's a little more but overall,it's right around that price point.
By the way, the brand is called Hermès , notHERMIS and to learn more about how to pronounce luxury brands please check out this videohere.
In order to be able to determine if an Hermestie is worth it or not, we briefly have to take a look at the history of the house.
Hermès is a brand who was founded in 1837by the German born Thierry Hermès.
Initially, it was a manufacturer of harnessesand Brittles for the carriage trade.
By 1855, they won their first prize for theirquality merchandise and soon thereafter, they would start to expand their products and includethings like saddle and leather goods.
Now I could fill hours with the intricatehistory of Hermes but in terms of ties and silk, the home of the Hermès silk since 1937has been the city of Lyon.
The first silk design Hermes created was actuallynot for a tie but for a scarf.
They are probably even more famous for womenthan the ties are for men.
They're typically in 70 centimeters by 70centimeters.
The very first pattern showed some women playinga game; the pattern was called Dames Blanches.
In 1978, the fifth generation of family ownerscame in and Jean-Louis Dumas became the chairman of Hermès as well as the creative director.
Under his reign, Hermès switched to focuson silk products, leather goods, and ready-to-wear goods.
Over the years, Hermès has produced thousandsof designs and they've become iconic, very recognized and worn by Wall Street bankers,London businessmen, Russian oligarchs, or emerging Chinese upper-class men.
So with that being said, is an Hermes tieworth $180? Well, first we have to determine what youget for that money.
The tie production, especially for the printedties, is vertically integrated.
Hermès has their own silkworm plantationsin southern Brazil and there they control the spinning of the yarn, the weaving of theyarn, the designs of the silk, the printing, as well as the sales, all the way to the customer.
All designs are exclusively designed for Hermesand you can't find them elsewhere unless they're knockoffs of course.
Every season, 10 new ones are added as wellas old ones are reissued and overall, they've probably created more than 75,000 differentcolor schemes.
So between the designs and the colors, there'sreally a rich archive.
Hermès is known for their printed ties especiallyfor their often whimsical animal print ties, horse-inspired prints, as well as geometricalprints, and small micropatterns.
All their ties are silk screen printed whichis an old way to do it.
Back in the day, it was actually done withhand blocks, today, that is not done anymore.
Today, they use screens which are a lot morelabor-intensive and therefore more costly than digital printing.
So why does Hermès still use silk screen printing? They believe it produces richer colors ina more high-quality product and I couldn't agree with them more which is why we, at FortBelvedere, make all of our silks in a screen print and not digital print.
All famous Hermes ties are printed on a ratherlightweight silk twill that has a little bit of gum added back to it so it has a reallysoft touch that is not dry at all.
When you touch an Hermès tie, it has a verytypical feel, it's not super gummy like old madder silk ties, but it's also not like ajacquard woven tie.
It's something in between that is specialfor Hermes and that they want to keep secret which is one of the reasons that's verticallyintegrated.
A true connoisseur will likely always be ableto determine whether it's a fake or not based on the way the silk feels in their hand.
It's hard to describe but it's something youhave to develop over time.
Again, stay tuned for a guide on how you canidentify a fake Hermes tie from a real one.
Every Hermès tie is made out of twopanels of silk, not three, like most ties but also not like one like very expensiveties.
The only difference is basically that youneed more silk, the fewer pieces you use for each individual tie.
Making a tie out of two pieces is totallyfine and has no impact on the quality.
The next step the fabric is cut.
Hermès ties often feature specific model numberswith the logo printed in the silk and because of that, they have to be cut very accuratelyotherwise, the finished product won't have lines that are very neat.
That's another way to make it difficult forfakers because often times, they get these little details wrong but Hermes always getsthem right.
Once a tie is cut, you add two layers of interliningthat gives the tie the feel and the springiness.
Hermès ties are three fold ties and they'rehand sewn with a thread that is a hundred and seventy centimeters long, that's aboutfive foot and seven inches.
All Hermes ties contain a little loop at thebottom and because that loop stitch ties are flexible.
Many quality ties are sewn in that way soI'm not surprised to see that from an Hermes tie.
Overall, if there's one thing about Hermès ties, I would say that they pay very great attention to detail and they focus on quality.
It's even little things such as the labelwhich sits eight inches from the bottom and is sewn on in four spots or the model numberin this little box which is neatly aligned with the edge and not crooked.
Also that keeper tag is woven and not printedand has very specific elements that are different with the different ties.
So a woven tie will have a different labelthan a printed animal tie which is different again to a heavy printed twill silk.
The same is true for the backside tip liningof the tie; with printed ties, it's a solid color versus with woven ties, it's a kindof golden H symbol that you see and again, every tie is slightly different and only Hermesknows what they do for each specific tie.
Fakers on the other hand don't and so theyoften get it mixed up.
So objectively, when you get an Hermès tie,you get a high quality product.
What you don't get is a sevenfold, eightfold,nine-fold, or tenfold tie.
You also don't get a tie that comes in verymany widths.
By default, most Hermès ties are eight centimeterswide, they have some that are seven centimeters, and some ties that are less and in this dayand age, it's hard to find a nine centimeter Hermes tie.
Also in terms of length, Hermès ties are ratherlimited.
Their general tie is about 60 inches longor 152 centimeters, I say about because a tie is always cut on the bias which makesit very flexible but when you lay it down it's a little stretchy and so you never getthe exact measurement from each tie to another.
Online, in the store, they have a very smallsection of ties that are longer but they do not have ties for shorter men which is a shamebecause if you're a shorter man, you need a tie that it's shorter otherwise you endup with a large tie knot that simply doesn't flatter your silhouette.
Because of that at Fort Belvedere, we createdties in short regular and long and not just for certain models but for all the models.
You're also somewhat limited in terms of varietywith Hermes ties.
Yes, they have many patterns, many prints,they come in quite a few colors, at the same time, they always print it on the same silktwill.
If you look at Hermès' woven ties, they'reusually small jacquard patterns, some geometrical patterns, the occasional stripe, but you don'tfind elaborate stripes there, you don't find rep ties, you don't find grenadine ties, ormohair ties, wool ties, they sometimes have cashmere ties, butagain, it's very limited.
On the other hand, if you want to experimentmore with your tie silks and maybe have a shantung Hermès or a grenadine wool silk mohairblend, Hermès is not the brand for you.
So are Hermes ties worth it? Of course the answer is it depends! If you're someone who really likes printedwhimsical motifs, these little animal prints then Hermès is definitely the way to go.
Also, if you're looking for more unusual colorssuch as fuchsia ties or chartreuse green maybe some orange tones, Hermès will likely havea shade that you can get.
Also, if you're a Wall Street banker or ifyou work in finance and you want to fit in with your company culture, an Hermès tie iscertainly the way to do that.
That being said, personally, I'm not a bigfan of whimsical motifs on ties and I prefer different textures so Hermes ties are notthe ideal tie for me.
I have a bunch of them including vintage onesand new ones but frankly, I don't wear them a whole lot anymore.
The ones I wear the most are probably thewoven ties, they are somewhat simple and don't look like a typical Hermès tie.
With many other luxury products, you pay alot for the name but you get average to mediocre quality.
On the othe hand with an Hermès tie, you certainlypay for the name but you also get a quality product.
On top of that, genuine Hermes ties usuallyyield quite high prices even when they're used.
Of course, they have to be in pristine conditionwhich ties rarely are if you actually wear them and on top of that, you have to provethat it's actually a genuine product which can be very hard unless you have the specificreceipt with a photo of the tie.
Of course, if you give all the Hermès tiesyou don't want any longer to a store, they have to mark them up and ultimately, you don'tget much for used Hermes ties anyways.
Also if you're shorter than 6 foot or 183centimeters ,Hermès ties may be too long for you and all you can do is tie a really bigknot which may often not work with your head size.
Also if you're really tall men and you wantmore variety in your ties, Hermes is not the right place for you.
I also think they're not worth buying usedunless you know very well what you're doing otherwise, you may pay top dollar for whatturns out to be a fake.
Personally, I also like ties to have differentwidths, my favorite width is about nine centimeters or three and a half inches and it's not aniche served by Hermès at all.
Also building up an entire Hermes tie collectioncan be rather expensive.
If you buy 12 ties you're already down morethan $2,000.
Now they certainly use high quality materialsincluding their silk but when I was looking for silks for our Fort Belvedere ties, I metWeavers who would actually produce jacquard woven silks for Hermes and we get ourselvesfrom the same vendor at the same quality standards yet Fort Belvedere ties cost a lot less especiallyif you buy more and get the volume discount.
Hermès on the other hand doesn't offer anyvolume discount.
At the end of the day, to me personally, Hermesties are mostly not worth it simply because I prefer a 9 centimeter width and I preferdifferent textures.
On top of that, I want ties in different lengthsbecause depending on an outfit and the rise of my trousers I don't always want a consistenttie length and Hermès is not able to deliver that to me.
That being said, if you're about 6 foot tallor 180 centimeters, Hermes ties will work for you in height and if you like their motifsand their flashy colors it's definitely an option for you.
Bear in mind that you can always sell themat a higher price if you don't like them anymore of course only if you can prove that it'sa genuine product and not a fake.
To learn how you can identify the real dealHermes tie from a fake, please check out this video here soon.
in today's outfit I'm of course wearing anHermès tie however it's not a typical printed one but a jacquard woven one in a larger herringbonewith yellow and grey it changes the color with the light in a very sophisticated wayand because of that I liked the tie quite a lot it ties a nice knot and it's overalla good product that being said it's a vintage tie and they no longer produce this anymoreI'm combining it with a typical Finance or Wall Street banker outfit that consists ofa white soft striped dress shirt with French cuffs and wearing gold monkey fist knot cufflinks from Fort Belvedere as well as a ring with a citrine stone that is also yellow goldit works well with the cufflinks the suit is from Ralph Lauren purple label it is kindof power-suit inspired with a softer silhouette it was made by Chester Barrie several yearsago and it is a typical business suit in the sense that it has these kind of rope stripesthat are bold they're light on a navy background it is double-breasted with wide lapels thathave a certain amount of belly the pants are cuffed and pleated the socks are shadow stripedin yellow and blue so they work together and create some contrast to the black oxford shoesat the same time they pick up the yellow tones of the tie and a citrine ring the Hermes tieis no longer available and neither is a suit but you can still find the monkey fist knotcufflinks the white linen pocket square the TV fold as well as the boutonniere and thesocks in our shop right here.