AND THAT HIS COUNTERPART IN MEXICO DID A GOOD JOB.

>>> ALL RIGHT, IN THE MEANTIME, THE DEMOCRATIC-LED HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS HOLDING A HEARING ON MONDAY ON POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

SOME ARE CALLING IT THE FIST OF AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.

I'M NOT SO SAVVY, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT THIS NEXT ONE IS, AND A DARN GOOD ONE, KEN STARR.

KEN, ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

>> HEY, THANK YOU, NEIL.

NEIL: ALL RIGHT.

SO HELP ME WITH THIS.

IT HAS ALL THE MAKINGS AND TRAPPINGSINGS OF BEING AN IMETCHMENT TRIAL WITHOUT IT BEING AN IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.

JOHN DEAN, OF COURSE,OVER OF WATERGATE FAME.

THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, ISN'T THERE? >> RIGHT.

IT'S A SHOW TRIAL TRYING TO STIR UP INTEREST.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN, NEIL, IS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, ALL THE REPORTS I'VE SEEN HAS SAID, NO WAY.

WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN IMEVENMENTED RADIO.

— IMPEACHMENT ROAD.

IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC, OR A PRECIPICE.

BUT I THINK WHAT SHE HAS BEEN DOING, CLEARLY USING SOME VERY UNKIND LANGUAGE AND COMMENTS THAT I THINK ARE UNBECOMING TO SPEAK ORE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WELL, LET'S JUST WAIT, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL GO TO JAIL.

REALLY A VERY NAUGHTY COMMENT.

BUT I THINK THAT WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO DO IS TO KEEP THESE SUPERHAWKS, THE 'EM PEACHMENT SUPERHAWKS IN HER PARTY, AT BAY, KEEP THEM LEASHED.

BUT THIS IS A WAY, GETTING A JOHN DEAN WHICH IS NOT A VERY SERIOUS THING TO DO, IT'S THEATER, IS A WAY OF, I THINK, FEEDING THE SUPERHAWKS A LITTLE BIT OF FOOD.

NEIL: YOU KNOW, JOHN DEAN WAS AMONG THOSE FAMOUS, OF COURSE, FOR SAYING — COMMENTING HIS OWN CONVERSATIONS WITH RICHARD NIXON AT THE TIMESHARED WITH SAM URBAN AND THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE THAT THERE WAS A CANCER AROUND THE NIXON PRESIDENCY.

AND HE HAS SINCE REFERRED IN APPEARANCES ON ANOTHER NETWORK THAT THE SAME APPLIES HERE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

I LISTENED TO JOHN DEAN, AND I SIMPLY SAY HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN.

HE WAS, IN FACT, INVOLVED IN A CONSPIRACY.

WHAT WE NOW KNOW FROM THE MUELLER REPORT, THE 446 PAGES, IS THAT THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY.

AT ALL.

AND I THINK JOHN DEAN, IF HE LOVES HIS COUNTRY AND I HOPE HE DOES, WOULD SAY, THANK GOODNESS.

WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO DID NOT CAN COMMIT CRIMES OF CONSPIRACY OR ANYONE'S AROUND HIM COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS.

FINISH WE MOVE, NEIL, AS YOU KNOW TO DEBATE ABOUT THE SO-CALLED OBSTRUCTIVE ACTS, AND JOHN DEAN WILL SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

BOB MUELLER HIMSELF HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE DID NOT CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COMMITTED OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK AROUND IT, BUT HE HAS SAID I DIDN'T EXONERATE HIM, BUT HE ALSO DID NOT CONCLUDE THAT THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED A CRIME.

MY OWN REVIEW OF THE REPORT SAYS THE PRESIDENT DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME.

NEIL: COULD HE HAVE SAID THAT IF HE WANTED TO? HE WAS MAKING AN ARGUMENT, AGAIN, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS ON HOW FAR HE COULD GO, AND I WAS THINKING THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS OF THIS INVESTIGATION, WHATEVER IT WAS, THAT RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WOULD BE MADE AND THEN IT ENDED UP BEING NONCOMMITTAL ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO WHAT COULD HE HAVE SEA OR DONE? — SAID OR DONE? >> HE HAD THE AUTHORITY, INDEED, HE HAD THE DIRECTION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COMMITTED A CRIME.

NEIL: YOU WERE VERY UNE WEST VIRGINIA CALL IN YOUR INVESTIGATION OF THE CLINTONS.

WHY WASN'T HE? >> RIGHT.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, OUR EVIDENCE WAS OVERWHELMING THAT BILL CLINTON COMMITTED PERJURY AND ALL THOSE OTHER CRIMES.

AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY UNDISPUTED, STIPULATED VIRTUALLY, THAT BILL CLINTON COMMITTED FEDERAL CRIMES.

NOT ONLY IS THERE NO STIPULATION, THERE'S NO FIGHT — THAT'S WHY BOB MUELLER NEEDS TO TESTIFY.

THAT'S WHY IF HE DOESN'T TESTIFY, I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT, WE NEED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL'S INVESTIGATION.

THAT'S WHAT HE WAS CHARGED WITH DOING, AND HE DID NOT DO MISS JOB.

>> NEIL: SO WE REALLY CAN'T ADVANCE THE BALL VERY MUCH HERE.

BEYOND THE POLITICS OF IT, YOU HATE DONALD TRUMP, YOU PROBABLY STILL HATE HIM.

IF YOU LOVE DONALD TRUMP, PROBABLY STILL LOVE HIM AND ARE NOT SUSPICIOUS OF HIM.

WHAT HAPPENS? >> WELL, WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS PEOPLE SHOULD STEP BACK AND SAY, AND I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE, AND SAY LET US GIVE THANKS THAT THERE WAS NO COLLUSION, THAT THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY WITH THE RUSSIANS.

AND, IN FACT, LET ME MAKE A VERY BRIEF COMMENT ON THIS.

THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, THAT BOB MUELLER FOUND THROUGH HIS ELABORATE INVESTIGATION THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE CAUGHT FLAT-FOOTED DURING THE TRANSITION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYONE IN THE CAMPAIGN.

THEY DID NOT KNOW DONALD TRUMP.

SO YAW SAY, WAIT, WHAT ABOUT THE MOSCOW HOE SNELL READ THE REPORT.

— HOE SNELL IF READ — HOTEL? REALIZE THE REPORT.

THERE WERE NO CONNECTIONS ON THE PART OF THE KREMLIN.

THAT SHOULD BE REAFFIRMING TO AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ALL PERSONS OF GOODWILL THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WAS COMPLETELY INNOCENT.

THERE WERE EFFORTS BY THE RUSSIANS BUT NOT RECIPROCATED BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND CERTAINLY NOT IMPLICATING THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.

NEIL: THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING, OBVIOUSLY, OR IS — IS TO MOVE PAST THAT, AT KEY MOMENTS TRYING TO BLOCK STUFF, OBSTRUCT STUFF.

HOW FAR DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO? >> IT JUST HAS TO BE — IT DOESN'T WORK, AND THE REASON IT DOESN'T WORK IS THE INVESTIGATION, REALLY QUICKLY, WAS ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD WITHOUT OBSTRUCTION.

DID THE PRESIDENT LIKE THE INVESTIGATION? NO.

DID HE WISH IT ILL? YES.

BUT DID HE STOP THE INVESTIGATION?.